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Only had a couple of hours to get anything done on the truck this weekend, so other than pulling the radiator, I decded to take out the old rubber floor mat and get ready to put the 40/20/40 seats in I acquired.

So, i pulled these pieces on both sides...



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...to reveal this unexpected rust.



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Not a body guy, so I don't know what needs to be done to repair those sections. Weld in new rocker panels? Patch pieces?

Went on to discover a few more holes under the rubber mat.



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I found this odd...was tar paper a source of sound deadner back in the day? applied to the floor with tar?



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I would like to take care of the floors issues before putting the seats in, but I need to haul a few things before the end of the week, so I'll be putting in the seats and pulling them back out later to address the ventilation issues...if the radiator can be salvaged. :jaw-dropping:

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I didn't have any of that newfangled tar sound suppressant installed. Prolly cost extra! :D

For the rust, take it down to bare metal with a wire wheel then spray Ospho on it to convert any microscopic pieces you missed. Then put primer or clear coat on it if youre dealing with it later.
The main thing is to get the rust thats on there off.
Then keep oxygen and moisture from getting to it again. I'm using Herculiner on my floor. It feels great on the feet (rubbery and textured) but I'm playing with Por 15 in a few weeks so I might go with that first, then herculiner as a top coat. i'm still undecided but it will end up with a herculiner top.

WDShaffer helped me with my painting questions. I think he does (or did) that kinda stuff for a living.

For holes, you just gotta weld them up or hire a kid to do it. Lots of young welders will work for pennies. If you think the holes are too huge you can buy repop (reproduction) pieces but I hear they're thinner and tough to cut to the right shape.

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Didn't think about Herculiner for a fancy rubbery feel. Might be to posh posh for me. ;)

A guy here at work who has a few '69 Mustangs, '55 Fairlane, and '59 F100...yes he's a Ford guy...:poke:...loves POR15. Their ads say "it will never rust again", but don't they all say that. :D

I picked up some POR15 to give it a shot on the floors, but that is when I thought I just had surface rust and one small hole to contend with; not slightly larger hole and rust in the channels along side the door seals.

Maybe WDShaffer will chime on in this topic :)

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Do you have a welder? Or a bud with one. Welding sheet metal is easy. Especially in places you can't see. Get a small grinder and some cut off wheels and cut out the crud and patch in new. Here is an hour of my life solving a problem.

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Nice! I do not. If I acquired one would it be a MIG welder?

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A mig is nice. But gas works well with a bit of practice.especially on floors and trunks. I will give some tips later this week. I am in the middle of rental flip. Go gonzaga.

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Cool! :thumbsup:
No rush, though I'll be looking forward to it. I'll be slammed for a while myself. Heading to Dallas, TX this weekend, then maybe Savannah, GA, and have to head up/over to NC at some point.

Should get word on my radiator today. It was soaking in an acid bath at 4:30pm yesterday.

Got my seats bolted in. Of course, when I get a weekend to myself, they will come out again to tend to these rusty floor issues. The seat fit pretty good with the fuel tank still in the cab. :ahhhh: Of course if I were any taller, the tank would definitely have to be moved. I did have to make 4 standoffs of varying sizes to accommodate the front mounting brackets hanging over were the upper floor pan under the seat dives down to the lower portion where your feet go. Just used some square channel steel tubing for that. No pics, but will shoot some when they are pulled out again.

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Well, the radiator shop called. Both the radiator and heater core are leaking like a pin cushion under pressure; so, not repairable. :bricks: :aarrgh:
I guess I am in the market for a radiator now :dollarsign::diggingahole:
The heater core can wait for a long while.

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As stated in another thread...but I wanted to consolidate to my build thread. :)

"I did a lot of wire wheeling, degreasing, and metal prep on my floors. Then gave POR15 a go. I think it turned out good ...for now. When its time to fix things up right and I have learned a lot more, I can go back and cut out the bad spots and properly patch. For now, on the largest hole, I simply coated a piece of metal with the POR and between coats on the floor, screwed it down, and added another coat to everything. Right of wrong, I think I've stopped my floor pan rust for now. "

Some before's and after's are attached...for you Fetch! ;)

With the largest hole shown in black and exposed is after one coat. With the hole covered is after the second coat.

I think the passenger side was in the worst shape due to a leaking heater core at some point in the trucks history. I also learned with all the recent rain that water is getting into the cab where the windshield wiper motor is mounted. So, I guess I need to pull that and put a new seal on it. I see where it is bolted under the dash, but I am not sure how to pull the vented piece between the hood and windshield to disconnect the wiper arms from it.

Also, while rewiring my lights...still in progress, parts should be in today :)...I wanted to pull the white bar part of the grill that wraps around the headlights and has the GMC beneath it, but for the life of me I cannot see how that piece is mounted. Any tips??? The headlight bezels were rusting pretty good on the back side, so I addressed that and figured I might as well pull that whole section while I have it partially apart.

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You are going to love this... :)

There are 4 bolts holding that assembly in place. 2 on each side.
They go into it from the backside. I think both bolts each side are accessible from the inside of the front fender well.
Or...
One each side from inside of fender, and one each side from inside the engine compartment.
Its been a while since I removed/replaced one.

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:saywhat: Seriously?!? Am I that blind? :banghead:
Can't wait to get home and confirm this. :toofunny::signthankspin:

My headlight connectors and headlight adjusters should be delivered today as well. This could be a good day :D

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There are 4 on each side. 3 under the fender. One under these supports.

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I don't know if you are "that blind" but I am that forgetful.
BarryGMC has it correct, there are 4 bolts each side (went out and looked at the spare assembly I have, looking at the trucks would have been a longer walk and I'm lazy... :) )

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Thanks! I already have the supports pulled from running wire. Should be able to get it off pretty quick. :)

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So much for quick:ahhhh:
I could not spot those bolts before because they were covered in whatever this is...


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Looks like asphalt or something. Took forever to chip it off to get a rachet on the bolts. :poke:

Help I'm blind...


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Some poor bondo work here. Not sure how this thing took a blow so high but it obviously did.


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Re: 1964 GMC 1000 Fleetside
 

Alabama chip seal. Most of these trucks have quite a story so not much surprises me.

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LOL! Just amazes me how much I did not see when I was looking to buy it. :lolsmack2:
But I am learning a lot that I did not know before. :D

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Well, with the grill off, I got to do a lot of sanding to smooth out that bondo work. Never knew hand sanding could be so tiring. :ahhhh: Evidently the repair work that was done on it last was done while it was mounted to the truck. The roughest areas of the bondo work that was done was on the lower side of the grill were you can't see it to good when it is mounted. Plus all the white overspray that is on the truck in the pictures above in a previous post were a pretty good clue. :lolsmack2:

After pulling the grill, like the headlight bezels, there was a lot of rust on the back side. Most of it seemed to be barely more than surface rust, but since these grills seem hard to find, I went ahead and POR'd the backside. Sorry Fetch, no "before's". That was done after doing some additional metal straightening. In this pick the braces that hold the headlights had been manipulated back in position. When I removed the grill from the truck, they were still bent down into the grill. Not something you can really fix without removing it from the truck.



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You can see evidence in the same pick, in the lower right corner of where holes were drilled, I assume to pull it straight, and bondo applied.

Here are the headlight buckets, all cleaned and painted with new adjusters.



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Not sure how much I trust those nuts to not come loose.:headscratch:

Happy Father's Day to all the dad's out there! :yourock:

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Nice work. I remember doing the same thing to my grille, headlights, etc.

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Thanks!

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Well, wifey must be growing to accept this new hobby. She brought me a couple of toys from the flea market::ahhhh:



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The spray gun is a Port Cable PSH1. I guess it is an older gun as info on the internet is a little hard to come by. Should be fun practicing on stuff though...after I do some learning on how to use it. :lolsmack2:
However, the gun states it is rated at 8.5 SCFM @ 40 PSI where as my compressor is only 6.5 SCFM at 40 PSI. Add another upgrade to my to do list. :D

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Nice prize! I got one too from Eastwood that I'm dying to try out. Interested in seeing the practice shots so I can follow along when I get to that point :thumbsup:

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Your compressor will run that fine. It will just need to catch up every few mins.

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Man o man you guys are up late.

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Yeah, I gotta pick up the Redhead from work in like 5 mins. Teens and jobs. Why can't they ever pick something that ends at 5pm like reg'lar folks?

:threadjacked:

Sorry Aphaynes :D

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Ha Ha...considering I don't know zip about using one of these things, it ought to be interesting. I did watch some YouTube videos last night, so I guess that makes me an expert! :ahhhh::lolsmack2:

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Good to know. :thumbsup: Guess I'll find out when I find some cardboard or scrap metal to practice on.

Ha! I crashed hard right after that picture post :) Had been under the house fixing pipes.

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I have a square sander just like that...actually wore out the first, and on my second. :my2cents: It looks like a pressure regulator is attached. You want that and not a "cheater valve" (like a globe valve). Practice with primer on a fender. Acetone is cheap and cleans up the paint gun real good when finished. Your air compressor will keep up with one panel at a time. Then you can use your sanders--keep em flat and moving steady back and forth.

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Well, budget is tight right now, so not much has been happening since I got the grill back together and headlight wiring complete...



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...so this afternoon I was staring at a pile of left over lumber in the corner of the garage wondering what I'll use it for. Then I walked out to Rusti (my daughters name for the truck) and it hit me...:machinegun:...it will be a long time before I have $$$ for a tailgate, with all the other stuff I need to do to Rusti. For the short term, why not just make one?!? :ahhhh: Surely a truck that is supposed to have a wood bed can handle a wood tailgate...at least for a little while. ;)

So this is the start of it. Nothing is attached to anything at this point. Just cutting pieces to see what I like the look of.



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This particular layout is a mix of 2x4's and 1x8's. We'll have to see how this evolves. :)

Speaking of evolving...or devolving...is that a word??? I had a big chunk of bondo come off my driver door today. Geez. Not sure how long it has been on there, but it revealed a nice crease in the door skin that someone tried to just fill in. I think Rusti is crying out for help. To bad she didn't find a better equipped urgent care facility to call home.

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You have a cool truck . Just chisel a way. Little by little. Barry.

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Thanks! :thumbsup:
I do get my radiator sometime this week. Will be in NC for the weekend, but hopefully I'll get her back on the road by next week.

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Well, I put the radiator in last week. Only got to test it at idle before leaving town. Got back last night and tested at idle again with no sign of leaks. Decided to drive it to work and back today and had no leaks or overheating...woohoo! No signs of oil leaks from previous engine work either. :) It was good to have her back on the road.

Several neighbors out walking late yesterday decided to stop and tell me how good she sounded while she was idling in the driveway. :D

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Congrats, Aphaynes, it's a great feeling when the the time and dollars pay off and a drive is a success! I remember the first time we took the '55 GMC for a real drive in 2011---the wife drove, LOL! Everyone we passed waved and was smiling, even though the truck is ugly as heck.

DAC

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LOL! Thanks DAC.
Took it for a night drive this week as well. Had to test out those headlights. :lolsmack2:

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Tailgate update. A short while back I was cutting up lumber leftover from a couple of projects in order to experiment making a tailgate for the truck with stuff I have on hand (see somewhere above). Dang budget...LOL.

Well, I got to get rolling with that today. I also just need a reason to use this...


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This is a Shopsmith that my now departed grandfather had ever since I can remember...which is a long time ago. :) Once he passed it got tucked away in my dad's shop for years. My dad eventually gave it to me. He wasn't using it, so why not get it out of the shop. Well, I ended up tucking it away in my shed for 5 or 6 years. Then we moved here to 'Bama and I tucked it away in the corner of the garage where it got covered with boxes and stuff for several more years. Then in late 2013 or early 2014 I was wanting to rebuild a bench we had that had rotted away. So I am in the garage thinking I need to get a table saw, that way I can buy the lumber and rip it down to the sizes I need. Frustrated with my lack of tools, I look over at the stack of boxes and stuff and spy the Shopsmith that has not been used in a good 20 years. I already have a table saw....and a drill press, sanding disc, and lathe! :ahhhh:
So I promptly dug that puppy out and rebuilt the rolling base that had rotted away so that I could easily move it from garage to driveway. Then with a little internet research on the main body and an ebay search for guide rails, as mine were way to rusted; I got the thing running again fairly quickly and easily. Most of it, including the internal belt had held up much better than expected. Wait this is a truck thread not a shopsmith thread! :poke: Sorry guys, I just love having that little piece of family history on hand. :)

So put that baby up in drill press mode...


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Clamp the boards together to mark locations for the dowel pins...


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Why dowel pins...well, I am not a real woodworker, so I did a little reading and dowel pins seemed like a good strong way to join these boards together. I arbitrarily decided on 6 inch spacing for the dowel pins starting 3 inches from the end of the boards for the first pin....why...I don't know. Sounded good in my head. :teehee:
The boards I am using are 2 2x4's and 2 1x8's, Why? Budget, that is what I had on hand that seemed to fit the back of bed nicely when I stacked them up. :ohgeesh: Again, the layout I was playing with is back a few posts.

Using these dowel pins...


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Test fit of the dowel pin looked good.


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So I decided to press fit the boards together before staining and gluing. Good thing I did. I had two boards that were just not pressing together on one end. Everything looked lined up, but when I removed the clamps for a better look...I somehow missed drilling one of the holes. :banghead:


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Test fit is always a good idea! :thumbsup:

Here they are after first coat of Pecan Gloss.


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Why that color? You guessed it, that is what I had on hand, leftover from that bench project I mentioned ;)

So now it is hot as Hades out there and I am taking a break. Is this a waist of time?...maybe, but I am enjoying it none the less :D

I hope to use the ShopSmith for making my bed wood when the time comes to tackle that part of the project. Of course I will have to price out the expense of doing that versus a ready made kit.

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that is an AMAZING find! The things you can do with that sucker...
Loved the story too. I say it's your truck thread. Put what you want in it as long as it ends up going with the truck. I go off chasing rabbits in my thread all the time and nobody complained yet :thumbsup:

(the only complaint I got was on the wood splitter, but that was in the OTHER RIDES AND PROJECTS forum...what the heck? :lolsmack2: )

Cant wait to see the tailgate!

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This staining and gluing process is slower than expected. :poke:

With two coats of stain on, here's the center section...


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Adding the end pieces took more clamping than expected. I had to rummage around in the garage for a while to find any clamp that I could make do with...


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...just to get them nice and flat. I hope those dowels and glue hold up :lolsmack2:...


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And this was as far as I got before the weekend ran out on me... :banghead:


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Thanks! Yeah, I have a lot to learn with that thing as well. I have only used the basic functions of table saw, vertical drilling, horizontal boring. Those last two are the same thing, but depends on if the drill is upright or laying down as to what you call it. :lolsmack2: I would love to try the lathe, but haven't created a project where I need that yet.

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Well, the last piece is pressed on and drying...:bigdance:



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Don't look to close. It ain't perfect...but neither is my truck! :lol:

Now the part I have yet to fully wrap my head around. :scared: Those notches in the bottom piece sit over the trunions. I have bounced several ideas in my head as to how to house/wrap the trunions in those notches, butI have not made a final decision. If any ideas hit you while you are reading this :saywhat: then feel free to post 'em! Keep in mind I do not have a torch or welder to fabricate anything. If it can't be done with a hammer, or screw driver, or brute force, or....??? Well...I'll figure something out. :D I have picked up various pieces of hardware to repurpose/experiment with so maybe something will work nicely.

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I had to look up the word Trunion :teehee:

Would the wood not hold it well enough if you just cut little round holes in it with a spade bit?